Well Mr. GOBO since I'm not allowed to influence anyone with my aerial views I just argue with you and everyone else doesnt have to listen

I do agree that George Martin have a very significant impact on the Beatles in the recording studio.  I would argue however that this happened more so in the earlier days (the first albums through to Help!).  Martin unquestionalby shaped their simpler tunes with hooks and arrangements that made them different and unlike what was being played on the radio at the time.  But as John and Paul (and George) matured as individuals (you have to remember that at the height of Beatlemania they were all around 20years old) they matured as musicians and song writers.  It was them that began to push George Martin as a producer and make him do things that had never been thought of before.  Case in point, John's Tomorrow Never Knows from Revolver album.  It contains what sound like almost screaching birds circling however that was actually a guitar riff that was recorded and the tape cut up into little pieces thrown into the air and taped back together and put into the song.  That was a John/Paul idea.  Something that had never been done before.  Another example, the orchestra in A Day In the Life.  It was recorded and then play backwards in the song for a very unique sound.  Another John/Paul idea.  I could site dozens of other examples of John and Paul creative genius.  My point is that in the later albums which marked the height of their creativity the ingenuity was theirs.  A trait which George Martin instilled in them in the earlier albums.

As for their solo work, I think the example of Free As A Bird is really an unfair example.  That was a half finished demo of John at a piano and had never been intended for release.  I'm sure if we heard Greg's first ever demo of a song it would be less then inspiring as was John's.    Although Mr. Lennon put out a substansial volume of solo work then vast majority was postumous as music was not his focus in life after the Beatles.  He all be retired from music and the public spotlight.  He just wanted to life a normal life.  So its my argument that this period is not indicative of his best work.  Sir Paul on the other hand has put out a lot of crap in the last thirty years BUT he is s musicial genius.  Look at his classical work Standing Stone and Ecce Cor Meum.  I don't know of too many popular musicians how have the musical depth to create stuff like that.  Does Jim's solo work compare to Sir Paul's?  Paul has put out a great deal more material so there is some stuff that isn't particulariy that good in my opinion but there has also been some amazing stuff that I don't think anyone can touch. 

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 All right then Mr. Stratomaster and I'm not sure about that last part folks

'cause I once saw him on stage and he was supposed to play a Gm11th add 12 yet,

blasphemy of blasphemies, he tried to sneak by with a Gm 'dimented' instead and, and
 
I believe the sticker on the back of his axe said 'Made in Antartica'  but I digress.


As for the topic in question, I too watched Anthology, among other such documentries
and yes, they were most innovative though I seem to recall GM was around up to and
including Abby Road and the White album. Still, you make great points about their
ingenuity. However, the thing was, in those days they had to be inventive becuase the
recording milieu was so plebian and basic. Remember, they didn't even have right/left
channeling back then. So, they had to use their imaginations instead of pedals, eight,
instead of 72, or more, tracks etc. Necessity was the mother of invention and I truly
believe that Greg, for one, will be doing stuff like that by his next c.d. at the latest.

  If you listen to Aphodite Rose, surely you can hear that he's stretching ever more with
his own studio efforts.

 As for John's, Free as... No, I wasn't dissing JohN's efforts as too basic but just that,
it was a bare bones example of what john was like musically and that it showed the
emperor's nakedness which I do believe he'd want to be seen as more real.

  Yeah, he gave up muisc for 5 years, to take care of Sean, but he did come back
and get into it again before he left us. More to say but, I have to go, Sorry.

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Gobo my friend you just proved my point.  In the Beatles case, necessity was the mother of invention.  The picture you paint of the limitations of recording technology back in the 60's is quite accurate.  And to say that John and Paul had to be creative and invent ways to make the sounds they wanted is a testament to the musical prowess.  Greg may very well begin to do those kind of things BUT he's what, in his mid-late 40's (sorry Keelorites, I don't know his birthday) the Beatles did it when they we 24, 25, 26.  Pretty impressive.

Yes George Martin was with them through Abbey Road (the exception being Let It Be, though released last was actually recorded before) but my point was that during the transitional albums of Rubber Soul and Revolver the creative inginuity became more John/Paul and less George Martin.  I'm not trying to trivialize his contributions, if fact I think he is one of popular musics most gifted producers.  I'm just saying that in the beginning Martin had the brainchild ideas like clever hooks that made their early hits, hits.  The really awesome, physchedelic, creative, ingenius stuff (i.e. the backwards orchestra I mentioned before) was their idea.  Martin taught them the science of recording and John/Paul took it to a new level.

Point taken about Free As A Bird.

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I heard George Martin saying in an interview that John mentioned to him, years after it was recorded, that he was never really happy with the recording for "Strawberry Fields Forever".  Martin said "I always felt like I somehow let him down.  I hope he forgave me."  I think George Martin's job was to translate the ideas and sounds that John and Paul would bring to him into something that could be put on disc. Both John and Paul have recognized George Martin's contribution to their music. He was the greatest producer the Beatles could ever get because he understood them and what they were trying to do.  The material (whether there were songs or ideas) he had to work with came from two musical geniuses.  No one sounded like them before (even some of their earlier songs were brilliant) and many have tried to sound like them since.

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I know the interview you're talking about.  Personally I think Strawberry Fields is absolutely brilliant!!!!  The new remixed version that's on the new Beatles Love CD coming out this month is WOW.  

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...Lets see...

...Greg as John...Is that a hair colour reference?...I have noticed that oftentimes, it may be nothing more than the fact that he has dark hair...that one of the band members seems to "stand" out front...

I have been watching what I can only assume are bass players during my musical "intervention" of the past few years (the instrumental...I have the singing down pat)...MANY of them surpass the guy with the darker hair who stands out front...by far in vocal quality...(take Matchbox 20 and  El Torpedo)...

...I am absolutely in LOVE with  Jim Cuddy...but Greg (who I was barely AWARE of until about three or four years ago...) is an amazing singer and lyricist (I fear he may have been hiding his vocal talents behind his Bob Dylan-like style for too long...and all that guitar stuff)...(maybe when Jim divorced his wife ($$$$$) in the late nineties and he and Greg were having all of those creative differences...who else remembers THAT article ?( I read it in Jim Cuddy's own voice while sitting at my computer in my living room in Labrador City (near the front entryway) working at my collection of songs from the seventies...)...and then when Greg worked on his own a bit...he discovered his amazing range and to-die-for adorable dancing-thing that he has going on now...(it is infectious...you can see it if you watch 20 Years of Stereovision -the backwoods sessions...not around the fire...in front of the trees)...

...or is it because we are drawing parallels between Jim and Paul...Paul went on with Lynda to form the group "Wings"...Jim looks under V for violinist in the yellow pages...makes a new band that seems to completely revolve around the violin...and writes a song about marriage that would have best been called "Flings"...

 ...there are so many ways to look at something...

...if we were to put away the band "places" that seem to get set for those of us who have always watched bands on tv or video...(because since I have moved out of the isolated NORTH and have seen how these guys are in concert...with all of the DVD footage that they share nowadays...I see quite a fair division of labour and visibility between Greg and Jim (...how I became so wrapped up in Jim's face all of those years without seeing all of the videos...well, I don't know...))....I'd be more likely to compare Paul to Greg (his voice has a rougher edge) and John to Jim (who sings in a softer more melodical manner)...

 

 

[ Okay, I will admit that I did not make it through all of the bizarre ramblings of lindadoreenhicklsoder, and that's likely a very good thing...... Is it just me, or is this person off her nut???

Just google her username...